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Should there be more land release in Warringah (non-urban areas) for new dwellings?
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What is non-urban land?
The Warringah Local Government Area contains a significant amount of non-urban land. This land is typically characterised by large areas which are relatively unspoiled by urban processes. Many of these areas usually have high cultural, ecological or heritage significance.
Refer to map of 'non urban land'.
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Comment 1 12 Mar 2010, 10:02 AM
Yes, there should be more land release in Warringah. It is important that that there is balance of high rise and housing in providing for population growth.
The obvious land release areas are those areas adjoining existing development which have existing infrastructure to support them.eg bus routes, local shops etc. All new housing development should have parks integrated into the development so as to ensure a balance of open space with the new housing.
Comment 1.1 12 Mar 2010, 2:06 PM
High rise dwellings don't belong in Warringah.
Yes, it enables you to cram hundreds of people in a small footprint, but they create an eye-sore for miles around and create too dense hubs that attract too many social issues.
We should learn from other countries that are trying to reverse the high rise trends after so many mistakes - they typically end up as vertical ghettos.
It is not the solution and will reduce the quality of life of all that surround them.
Comment 1.1.1 22 May 2010, 10:33 PM
Totally agree Fez!
Comment 1.2 19 Apr 2010, 9:51 AM
which question do you want answered? this is a most unsatisfactory question. was it posed by somebody who has thought it through or do you simply wish to interpret the responses to suit your wishes?
Comment 2 15 Mar 2010, 10:49 PM
Yes there should be more land releases in Warringah non-urban areas. Only as long as those areas aren't completely taken over (like in Warriewood). Chunks of bushland released should be preserved between and in the middle of the releases to break up the monotony of mass housing.
Also there should only be land releases when it is paired with vastly improved bus services to the areas.
Comment 3 17 Mar 2010, 9:32 AM
The rich powerful and the aged boomers are letting everyone else down. Anyone under 40 is experiencing worse living conditions than their parents.
Theyre squeezing us like rats in cage, ugly cheap quality units. Theres couples with 2 kids moving into totally inappropriate housing due to cost.
All you bastards in your nice safe houses in the richer suburbs...go ahead and make 'informed decisions' about our lives. YOU don't have to live in it yourselves, after all!
Comment 3.1 19 Mar 2010, 8:39 PM
Mark, you obviously feel very strongly about the 'bastards' you direct your tongue-lashing to as I have read your same comment on every discussion topic listed on the forum. I am, like you I'm assuming, under 40 and whilst I respect your right to express your opinion, once was enough.
Comment 4 20 Mar 2010, 11:34 AM
I believe there is quite a lot of land in Warringah that has held privately for over a 100 years. I think some of this land could be resumed to increase the amount of land suitable for housing development, provided the arrangement includes the essential infra-structure.
Comment 4.1 10 Apr 2010, 6:07 PM
Having read in the Manly Daily (10/4/10)that there are 368 outstanding claims for land on the peninsula by the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council I have to say that I was completely unaware of these claims when I said that some of the land in private hands should be resumed for sensible development
Comment 5 22 Mar 2010, 9:07 PM
No, dont touch the non-urban land for new dwellings. New dwellings should be in the areas where they are closer to services - be it either public transport, shops or employment zones eg the Brookvale valley precinct.
A preferred approach would be to allow higher densities where these existing services are.
Comment 5.1 24 Mar 2010, 8:40 PM
You have to be joking....this mentality is why we have the majority of Australia's population crammed on the coast - and a great proportion of it in Sydney. At some stage we need to move away from pre-existing "settlements" and create new villages in non-urban land, mixed with some bushland in between to preserve some of our natural surrounds - and most importantly, make sure we get the right infrastructure and public transport to match the population growth and location shift.
Comment 5.1.1 29 Mar 2010, 9:57 PM
Lat, do you remember Gough Whitlam's great effort to encourage development in the Albury/Wodonga area. It failed for two reasons, firstly not enough employment could be provided to sustain an increased population and secondly, the cost of getting raw materials to the area and finished goods to market killed the economics of the project. Moving away from pre-existing "settlements" doesn't work unless jobs are available there and industry to employ people is viable without massive subsidies.
Comment 5.2 10 May 2010, 11:24 PM
We most certainly do not need more land releases. Our 'urban' centres are underdeveloped to the point of being borderline derelict. Bushland is far to valuable to be cleared for more stand alone single family dwellings. I would be prudent to build upon existing public amenities and infrastructure rather than expand to unsupported and environmentally valuable land.
Comment 6 22 Mar 2010, 9:57 PM
Yes,
Allowing more houses in Non Urban areas which are adjacent to existing Urban areas makes good sense. The area between Belrose Supa Centa and the residential part of Belrose is ideal for development. It has
• Over 100 buses that pass the area on any given weekday. These buses service Town Hall Station, Chatswood Station, Gordon Station, many schools and many other locations.
• It has great proximetry to public and private schools.
• It has great access to local shops
• It has existing public parks.
• Most of the region is connected to town water, electricity, telephone, ADSL and Foxtel.
• The urban section of Belrose has a minimum block size of 600m² (compared to the 50,000m^2 minimum block size for the non urban section of Belrose).
Developing areas with existing infrastructure makes good sense.
Comment 7 8 Apr 2010, 8:59 PM
Don't let the State Government allow developers to buy our family homes to demolish and build high rise apartments, families have worked hard all their lives for their homes to be comfortable in. There's plenty of bush (which is wasted space) you can knock down and build as many highrise units you want, with less bushes, there's less worry about bushfires, and leave our family homes alone.
Comment 8 11 May 2010, 11:10 AM
I have to agree with Fez, high rise dwellings do not belong in Warringah. Too many countries have crammed people into cities and areas like ours without any thought at all and are now regretting their decisions. Warriewood area (though not high rise) is one such disaster and what a mess has been made of that with all those ugly little houses crammed in like sardines on tiny blocks. That is one area destined to turn into a ghetto down the track. Also I can't even find a parking spot at my local shops anymore, and it takes over an hour to travel 20 kilometres to work, so why would you want to cram more people into the area? Stupid. And some people's comments in this forum are from developers for sure, you can always tell when there's a hidden agenda and you can not fool all the people all the time.
Comment 9 31 May 2010, 1:03 PM
If it is well planned I see few issues. Build it right and the people will come. It has happened here and abroad. Plan the infrastructure, create transport hubs & links, build schools, shopping centres, hospitals, recreational and community facilities and people will be there in a shot. Create a modern living environment and it will appeal. A little foresight will go a long way. And no, I am NOT a developer!
Comment 10 20 Jun 2010, 1:39 PM
The existing crime and anti social behaviour are closely embedded in high density areas. Just read the Manly Daily.The 1/4 acre block,cricket, cubbie houses,vegie gardens,friends, hobbies and interests makes a healthy community.Give me low density housing with car parking for four adults plus "Dear Hearts and Gentle People" for my future gift to our kids and families.
